Co-hosts Michael Isikoff and Dan Klaidman discover the answer to this question when they speak with President Obama’s former deputy national security adviser, Ben Rhodes, about his new book, “The World as It Is: A Memoir of the Obama White House.” Isikoff and Klaidman also chat with J.D. Gordon, a former Trump adviser, who met with special counsel Robert Mueller’s team and described the Russia investigation as a “nightmare.” See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.