Sign up for the Spectator at: https://spectatorworld.com/specialoffer/Use code: DARKHORSE*****Bret speaks with Jonathan Pageau a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and carver of orthodox icons.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQhttps://thesymbolicworld.com/http://www.pageaucarvings.com/https://twitter.com/PageauJonathan*****Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon.https://www.patreon.com/bretweinsteinPlease subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAWCKUrmvK5F_ynBY_CMlIAAll removed videos can be found on Spotify Video and Odysee: https://open.spotify.com/show/57R7dOcs60jUfOnuNG0J1Rhttps://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:fCheck out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: http://www.store.darkhorsepodcast.orgTheme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.*****(00:00) Introduction(02:47) Bret on religions being “Literally false, metaphorically true” NOT “a mind virus”(05:35) Jon’s definition of religion(07:57) Bret – all scientists have faith, i.e. base assumptions, axioms(11:15) Jon’s definition of faith, as levels of understanding(13:58) Spectator Adhttps://spectatorworld.com/specialoffer/Use code: DARKHORSE(15:45) Bret’s article of faith in evolution(17:56) Jon’s refinement: religion is the “patterning” of being(20:07) Emergence is the jump between levels(21:45) Jon’s emergence(23:34) Adaptive evolution and group selection(26:45) Why does cooperation exist?(28:05) Survivability of individual or group or lineage(32:05) Google Vs Catholicism(33:26) Point of attention(35:55) Evolution predicts the behavior of religions(38:46) Richard Dawkins’ memes(42:35) Self sacrifice(45:56) Confessions in a congregation(49:30) Jon on importance of self sacrifice(53:44) Rapist gene(59:24) Geneva Convention(01:00:39) Flip the table on the genes(01:01:49) Purpose of organisms(01:03:13) Consciousness and purpose(01:05:16) Purpose(01:09:15) One homogenous religion(01:13:55) Centralized digital identity and mark of the beast(01:19:59) Genes are self replicating patterns(01:23:19) Bret’s “obsession” with genes(01:25:09) Starting from experience, not genes(01:31:06) Consciousness is recognizing patterns(01:33:35) Consciousness is good(01:39:36) Technological systems are driving us into madness(01:42:59) We need to upgrade our consciousness(01:45:44) Wokeism and COVID measures(01:48:49) Damned if we do…(01:53:59) Religion has predicted this(01:56:39) Gain of function research and fission power(02:01:06) Aiming for a higher good(02:02:33) The atheist’s advantage and heaven(02:07:13) Descendants 10,000 years from now(02:11:14) Building of an arc, remnants, and end of civilization(02:18:56) Update religious texts?(02:20:39) Tools and religion(02:24:39) Is lineage the wrong level of abstraction?(02:29:43) Follow-through tennis analogy(02:35:57) Cynicism around religion(02:40:23) Consciousness comes down on existence and forms identities(02:44:17) Tetrapods and speciation(02:48:40) Identity and purpose(02:50:33) Wrap upSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/bretweinstein)