Care home deaths in England and Wales now account for forty percent of all deaths from coronavirus - and one result has been a political row. Why have things gone wrong for our most vulnerable citizens and the people who care for them?  Guests:Greg Hurst, social affairs editor at The Times.Irene Owen, a 91-year-old resident of Devonshire Court in Leicestershire.Sonja Bell, daughter of a elderly resident at The Heights in Buckinghamshire.Kimberly Ross, care assistant at Connaught Court in York.Karen Casey, activity co-ordinator at Zetland Court in Bournemouth.Additional support: Michael Clarke, Times Video Team.Host: David Aaronovitch.Additional music: Chris Zabriskie (licenced under Creative Commons).Clips: BBC, TalkRadio, TalkSport. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.