Our old friend Carl Thomas from XXX Church stops by the show to talk about His new book When Shame Gets Real. Shame is a tool that is used abundantly these days and it’s hard to avoid the issues that stem from it. Carl says his book isn’t the only answer or way to handle shame but it’s a way to look at shame and healing

Checkout Carl's Book 'When Shame Gets Real' at whenshamegetsreal.com
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