Jacob Helberg is a senior adviser at the Stanford University Center on Geopolitics and Technology and an adjunct fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Jacob is also the author of Wires of War, a fantastic book on technology policy, China, and U.S. national security.

In this conversation, we discuss US-China relations, technology, national security, Gray Wars, and why the US must start taking this much more seriously.

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