Len Necefer is a scholar, entrepreneur, and outdoor adventurer who is also a proud member of the Navajo Nation. Academically, Len holds a Ph.D. in engineering and public policy, and he is currently a professor of both Indian Studies and public policy at the University of Arizona. In business, he’s the CEO of NativesOutdoors, a cutting-edge outdoor apparel company that uses its platform to advocate for the cultural empowerment indigenous people. And to top it all off, Len is a committed mountaineer, backcountry skier, and rock climber, having ticked off countless impressive adventures throughout the West. It is clear that Len has accomplished a lot personally, but what is even more impressive is the positive ripple effect his work is having on the outdoor industry. By melding his professional expertise, personal interests, and cultural heritage, he has become one of the leading voices advocating for Native American representation in outdoor recreation and conservation. His work and personal story have been featured in big-time publications such as Outside and Alpinist, and he’s recently delved into filmmaking with his newest film Welcome to Gwichyaa Zhee. As you’ll hear, Len has a unique ability to educate and inspire, and his message is striking a chord with a large, engaged audience. As you’d expect from a guy as multifaceted as Len, he offers up a wealth of knowledge in our conversation. We talked about his Navajo heritage and discussed the unique history and culture of the Navajo tribe. We chatted about his recent film and discussed the of impact oil and gas development on Native populations in areas such as Bears Ears and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. We chatted about the need for mutual respect between the outdoor industry and indigenous groups, and Len explains two fascinating case studies around rock climbing on sacred Native lands. He gives an excellent overview of his company NativesOutdoors, and he explains why he chose to start a business instead of a non-profit. And as usual, we discuss favorite books, films, and the best advice he ever received. Thanks so much to Len for carving out time to chat. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did! http://mountainandprairie.com/len-necefer/ https://www.natives-outdoors.org http://mountainandprairie.com/support/ TOPICS DISCUSSED: 4:10 - How Len describes his work 6:15 - Len’s early years 7:00 - Navajo background 9:00 - History of the Navajo tribe 12:00 - Len’s new film: "Welcome to Gwichyaa Zhee” 16:15 - Oil and gas development’s impact on humans 19:40 - Historic native management of landscapes 22:15 - Preservation of people as new phase of conservation 27:15 - NativesOutdoors 33:00 - For-profit versus non-profit 34:00 - Native Americans and the outdoor industry 38:30 - Climbing Case Studies: Devil’s Tower versus Bears Ears 43:00 - How does he accomplish so much? 45:00 - Len’s work ethic 48:15 - Best books about Native American culture 50:45 - Favorite books about the West 52:00 - Favorite films 53:30 - Most powerful outdoor experience 56:15 - Favorite locations in the West 57:00 - Best advice ever received 58:30 - Request of the listeners 59:15 - Connect with Len