It's a strange time for everyone and despite not being in the cupboard Jenny and Judith manage to bring you an alternative! Enjoy listening to the ladies answer each other's questions about how they are feeling at this difficult time... and of course there is also a bit of Birthday chat!

Stay safe and well from all at Older & Wider HQ.

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