Michael Johnston, co-author of the new book, The Conundrum of Corruption: Reform for Social Justice, joins the podcast to speak about “the one goal that makes corruption control a compelling concern in the first place: justice.” Johnston, a retired Colgate University professor and anti-corruption scholar with a career spanning 30 years, joins Anti-Corruption & Governance Center Director Frank Brown and CIPE Communications Director Ken Jaques to discuss what he describes as the “anti-corruption industry.” Johnston traces the development of the anti-corruption movement from its early days of innovation to a status quo he sees as defined by inertia and insularity. Listen to Johnston’s thoughts on how the pandemic is changing perceptions of corruption and inequality, and why political contention may be the only way to achieve lasting change.