This week on Democracy That Delivers, we are joined by Rick O'Sullivan, who joined us for episode #157 of DTD. This podcast continues the conversation with co-host Ryan Musser, and host Ken Jaques. They examine the importance of civil society taking an active role in governing and not just advocating for government action through legislative or regulatory restraints.  During their conversation, they link  “third party governance” to self-sustaining CSO capacity, reducing corruption and countering the closing of civil society space.