In this episode, we're joined by Sarah Zerwin, author of the upcoming book Point-less: An English Teacher’s Guide to More Meaningful Grading. She suggests moving away from something many of us can’t imagine teaching without: grades. Her book takes on students’ obsession with grades by replacing traditional letter grades with descriptive feedback on their work. We started by asking Sarah about the journey she’s taken to move from traditional grading to letting go of points completely, and what can other teachers expect if they go on the same journey?