Gil Hanse (24:45), one of golf’s most renowned course architects, joins the show for nearly an hour. We talk building The Cradle short course right in Pinehurst’s front yard, creating Pinehurst’s new no. 4 course, restoring Winged Foot ahead of this summer’s U.S. Open, and what he would do with Augusta’s 13th hole. The crew also talks Old Man Golf Media popping back up, a potential Justine Reed burner account, and the Honda Classic.