In this episode, Jerry welcomes fellow author Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler to the podcast to explore her latest book: Optimal Outcomes: Free Yourself from Conflict at Work, at Home, and In Life. In this dialogue, Jennifer shares how tensions in her own life propelled the desire to discern the ways in which emotions like grief, anger, fear, and sadness manifest in times of conflict. Jerry and Jennifer consider how disagreements can trigger feelings of shame, and how attempts to safeguard ourselves from those feelings often get externalized as blame towards those with which we are in conflict. They highlight how turning to wonder (in conjunction with compassion and empathy) when confronted with conflict can bridge the gap of misunderstanding and acknowledge that not all conflicts will come to a resolution, sharing some helpful practices for breaking the conflict cycle.   Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! Follow our step by step guides: - How To: Leave a Review on Your Computer: - How To: Leave a Review on Your iPhone: Never miss an episode! Sign up for our newsletter to stay up to date on all our episode releases.