This is the fourth of five special episodes in a takeover of the Brookings Cafeteria podcast by the  at Brookings, a multi-year endeavor drawing on expertise from across the Institution. In this series, , a David M. Rubenstein Fellow in Foreign Policy, speaks with experts about a range of issues related to Global China. In this episode, she speaks with Senior Fellow Michael O'Hanlon and Nonresident Senior Fellow Caitlin Talmadge--who is also an associate professor of security studies at Georgetown University--about both the intensifying nuclear competition between the U.S. and China, and what approach Washington should take in response to limited aggression by Chinese forces.  Subscribe to Brookings podcasts  or , send feedback email to , and follow us and tweet us at  on Twitter. The Brookings Cafeteria is part of the .