Camelia Elias makes a very welcome return to the show this week, on the occasion of the launch of two new books, What is Not: Marseille Tarot à La Carte and Divination with Cards: A Short History. We also talk about meaning versus function, meaning in astrology and new ways to approach all the interpretive arts. An absolutely fantastic show. It's good to be back!  Show Notes Get What is Not: Marseille Tarot à La Carte here. Get Divination with Cards: A Short History here. Join the Lenormand Foundation Class here. Camelia's blog, Taroflexions. (Specifically, a classic post describing her method.) Camelia's column on Patheos. Camelia on Twitter. Camelia on Instagram.