On this week's show, we're joined by Anthony Licata and Joe Ferronato from the MeatEater crew to talk about Phil's backstabbing appearances on another podcast, two Pennsylvania hunters charged with animal cruelty, and winning a hunt in New Zealand with Ben. In the interview portion of the show Cornell ethicist James Tantillo talks about the tragic wisdom hunting provides and how it can help us understand death. Enjoy.    Connect with Ben and MeatEater Ben on Instagram and Twitter MeatEater on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and Youtube Shop MeatEater Merch