In this podcast, we chat with Dr. Lisa Freinkel, PhD, a professor, dean and vice provost at the University of Oregon who founded the University’s Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction Program. I first came across Lisa’s work at the Northwest Tarot Symposium where she taught a session on using Tarot to build a mindfulness practice.   I first came across Lisa’s work at the Northwest Tarot Symposium earlier on in this year, 2017. At the event, she taught a session on this topic. I was super, super fascinated by how we could incorporate more of mindfulness in our Tarot practice. And vice versa—how does Tarot help us become more mindful?  In today’s conversation, you’ll hear Lisa talk more about mindfulness and how you can bring the techniques of mindfulness into your Tarot practice. The really neat thing is it’s not complicated. It’s not complex; you don’t have to master all of these different steps or processes. It is, in fact, very simple and really about just bringing your attention back into the now.