Vanessa and Casper explore the theme of family in chapter two of Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. They discuss why Vanessa loves her dog so much, the age old question of nature vs. nurture, and the muggle magic of alcohol. Throughout the episode they consider the question: What are we willing to suffer for our family?

This episode is sponsored by Spotify Showstopper and Audible and this week's voicemail is thanks to Liza Mann. Next week we’ll be reading chapter three, The Knight Bus, through the theme of secrets. If you want to take the audience survey, you can go to panoply.fm/survey.