This episode grew out of my desire to take a focussed look at race in America. Through all the chaos of the talking heads, Obamas mixed departure and Trump's inexplicable rise it felt like a good time to examine this crucial issue in a way that felt more human and community based. I turned to two of the wisest and most insightful men I know to help unpack the discussion into areas that are impossible to do on my own. Roland Poindexter and Tony Moss joined me Katonah Studios in Marina Del Rey for an hour "panel" like format of the podcast. So much can be said here but this interview reminded me more than ever that unless we're going to meet on the road of understanding, tolerance and love that we're going to stay mired in the weeds of insanity. Intro Rant: a reading of a crucial Obama speech from 2008 Roland Poindexter is a creative executive with over 20 years experience in television programming. Over the course of his career he has produced over 1,000 hours of television and his shows have earned more than 30 Emmy Awards. Currently, Poindexter is Vice President, Television Development for 20th Century Fox Animation. In this position, he overseas the development & production of television series, specials and web based short form content based of animated theatrical franchises, including “Ice Age” & “Rio” and live action theatrical franchises like “Diary of a Wimpy Kid.” Previously Poindexter served as Senior Vice President, Current Series Animation for Nickelodeon, supervising annually over 200 hours of original production for the #1 kids cable network including such favorites as “SpongeBob SquarePants,” DreamWorks Animation’s “The Penguins of Madagascar” & “Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness,“ and “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.” Tony Moss returns to IAH, from... From Tonymoss.me “I am a artist, recording artist, and event producer influenced by 20 years of entheogenic study. My work is a synthesis of my interests in art, spirituality, and science, with passionate emphasis & interest in the evolution of human consciousness and greater under-standing and reverance for nature.  I’ve been called a mystic and a rationalist.  I marvel at the very presence of our being. I see “God” in evolution. I see God in everything.” @iamlifeproject