Virginia Heffernan talks to Antonia Noori Farzan of the Phoenix New Times to get a background on the now pardoned ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio and just what the sentiment is in Phoenix and Maricopa County about the events of the last week. Then, Slate's Mark Joseph Stern joins Virginia to talk about the legal aspects of the President's pardon and why this may set a dangerous precedent moving forward.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices