In this week’s Quality Control podcast, we discuss the newest edition to the Call of Duty franchise, a battle royale mode called Blackout. It’s available as part of Call of Duty: Black Ops 4. At a glance, it looks like many other battle royale games on the market. But, in motion, there’s a lot more nuance to the experience.

I sat down with our Austen Goslin. Between the two of us, we’ve spent hundreds of hours inside PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds and Fortnite, but also precursor games in the Call of Duty series. You can listen to the entire conversation below or on your podcast service of choice. We’ve also highlighted a few parts of the conversation and broken them out in the transcript below.

Read our review, already in progress.