Michael Covel speaks with Ed Seykota on his second visit to the podcast. Originally profiled in the classic book 'The Market Wizards', Seykota has played a pivotal role in the growth of trend following trading for 40 years. This conversation breaks down into three parts: Govopoly, the Trading Tribe and trend following. Govopoly is Seykota's most recent book. In it he sees the economy transforming from a free and open societal structure to a controlled structure. The Govopoly system is taking over. It's not about another election to solve this, or to try and fix it. It is what it is and best we can all do is to cope with it. Seykota sees the Trading Tribe as one means of coping. The Trading Tribe is an association of people who commit to excellence, personal growth and supporting and receiving support from each other. The members of the Trading Tribe trade roles, becoming in turn senders and receivers for each other. Lastly, Seykota and Covel discuss trend following. Specifically, Seykota shares early experiences with Richard Donchian and his solo time with mainframes testing some of the first trend systems via computer. Finally, Seykota shares his motivation for his life (and some insights about puzzles).