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Listen: People Are Panic-Moving

Will the pandemic remake big cities?
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In the past few months, after the pandemic hit, many people have chosen to leave big cities—at least for now. Amanda Mull joins executive producer Katherine Wells and staff writer James Hamblin to talk about whether their departures will be permanent.

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What follows is an edited and condensed transcript of their conversation.

Katherine Wells: Are people actually leaving cities right now in meaningful numbers?

It sort of depends on the city you’re talking about. There are a couple of things going on with New York, specifically. First, it was the epicenter of the global pandemic for a period of time, which is enough to make a lot of people skittish, especially people with options. New York

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